Posts by Dr Jekyll

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"Help! my dad is watching Pornography" Cries of a JW teen.

by Dune in

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as some of you may know, i'm still an active witness and i'm still in the planning stages of my "escape".

i met a sister at a district convention a year ago and i've been talking to her on aim for a while.

i think she is very amusing considering that she is very intelligent and often voices her views on the doctrinal falicies of the wtbs, but when its my turn to give my two cents she makes it seem as if i'm the only poztate.

Dr Jekyll

I don't blame God for what's happening, but having been raised in the troof and seeing how I've been lied too, I've come to reevaluate everything about the Bible, God, Jesus etc.

I think this is how it is for everyone on this board, we have to sieve the wheat from the chaff until we find something we're happy with. This is going to vary from person to person. No ones right, no ones wrong.

There is no reason why God couldn't intervene NOW.

People have been saying this for the last 2000 years, some would say that events unfolding in the middle east now are the opening act of Gods big play. Personally I don't believe anymore but that's just my view and I wouldn't want to shove my view upon anyone else. I did far to much of that as a dub, and I now realise I was in the wrong.

We see a glimpse of what happens in the news, God watches and hears all media channels and can see first hand from above the terrible things that are happening.
Justice never goes forth, I don't understand what we are waiting for.

Personally I do believe Justice goes forth, its just that it is Slow, very slow. Think of all the political despots that rose to power in the 20th century. They all came to ruin eventually, whether that was God pulling the strings I don't know but I do know that not everyone gets away with it.

I have to accept now, that I may grow old and die and never see the promised paradise. What does that leave for me?

Same here for me, same for the other 6 million of us. We were promised so much and so little was delivered, is it any wonder some of us are angry and refuse to let other men dominate us.

I'm still in for friends and family, and it's killing me.

This will sound harsh but I don't mean it that way its just the best way to say it. If you cant stand the heat of the kitchen you know where the kitchen door is.

Yes I know its easier said than done and yes I do know how hard it is to leave because I've actually done it. It hurts big time but I came to realise I could go on the rest of my life hurting and never be happy or I could leave, hurt for a while but then eventually be happy.

What ever you do I wish you the best and while i might not like your preachy style I do recognise that your intentions were good.

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"Help! my dad is watching Pornography" Cries of a JW teen.

by Dune in

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friends

as some of you may know, i'm still an active witness and i'm still in the planning stages of my "escape".

i met a sister at a district convention a year ago and i've been talking to her on aim for a while.

i think she is very amusing considering that she is very intelligent and often voices her views on the doctrinal falicies of the wtbs, but when its my turn to give my two cents she makes it seem as if i'm the only poztate.

Dr Jekyll

It would seem that I am of the minority on this board who actually care about such things as family, proper restraints and healthy boundaries.

Careful brother you are sounding a little self righteous there...

There are people here that do care about the things you mentioned but they tend to go about it in a more restrained way, they don't go around forcing their views upon everybody else like its some sort of new dogma.

It would also seem that many people here have been hurt so badly by the Jehovah's Witnesses, that they cannot imagine anybody, any higher power telling them what to do or how to lead their lives.

I agree with you here, we've all been mislead and lied to by people claiming to know whats best for us and they've often backed it up with quotes like "many Drs believe". I can see where you are coming from here and it is the reason your post got my back up so badly. I'm not going to assume that I speak for anybody else on here and I am only speaking for myself but I don't want anybody else telling me how to live *my* life TYVM

they have completely switched off their conscience and implanted a "my rights and sod everyone else" attitude.

I disagree with this comment. I still approach the world with a "treat people as you'd like them to treat you" attitude. We disagree on the pornography because our consciences are different. Yes I agree with you that *Some* pornography is exploitive but I also happen to disagree with you that pornography destroys marriages and relationships. You see things as either Black or White, you dont see the grey bits and when people disagree with you you become personally abusive. Isn't that an example of "my rights and sod everyone else".

The Society has a lot to answer for, and I welcome there downfall.

Yayyy We agree again.

It's sad too, that God has failed to act, to bring about justice for mankind and give us real hope.

Oh its gods fault now for not acting...

I see good people here who are letting their conscience fail them, they are becoming anaimalistic and self serving in their outlook. They don't care who they hurt, as long as they can satisfy their own desires.
They don't want to hear "right and wrong", they want to hear "it's my choice, it's my right, it's none of your business what I do, so screw you."

So who's to say What is right and what is wrong. I don't believe in a higher power and I'm not going to put my trust in Man again. So who is left to turn to?

I'm sorry but you sound self righteous, Victorian in outlook and preachy. I personally am not going to pay attention to someone like you.

Unlike you my minds open on such matters. I accept that for some pornography may be damaging to their relationships but that says more about the people involved than pornography. I also accept that some won't have a problem with it. Within my own relationship we are both adult enough to know that just looking at someone else isn't going to mean then end of us as a couple.

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"Help! my dad is watching Pornography" Cries of a JW teen.

by Dune in

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friends

as some of you may know, i'm still an active witness and i'm still in the planning stages of my "escape".

i met a sister at a district convention a year ago and i've been talking to her on aim for a while.

i think she is very amusing considering that she is very intelligent and often voices her views on the doctrinal falicies of the wtbs, but when its my turn to give my two cents she makes it seem as if i'm the only poztate.

Dr Jekyll

Mary,
Since you have more intelligence than Dr Jekyll, I will respond to your comments.

LOL so anyone that disagrees with "nanny" here is to be considered Stupid, says it all really.

Nanny knows best.

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Local needs after d/f or reproof

by jambon1 in

this may be a question for ex-elders.

is it always the case that a talk will be given after a d/f or reproof relating to the persons 'sin'?

after these announcements in our hall we always seemed to have a talk/local needs, which practically told you what the person had done.

Dr Jekyll

Mind you, I was there when they announced dedpoet was no longer a jw, and the elder who announced that one had a tough time not laughing, I think they were glad to see him go!

Why? what happened?

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"Help! my dad is watching Pornography" Cries of a JW teen.

by Dune in

jw
friends

as some of you may know, i'm still an active witness and i'm still in the planning stages of my "escape".

i met a sister at a district convention a year ago and i've been talking to her on aim for a while.

i think she is very amusing considering that she is very intelligent and often voices her views on the doctrinal falicies of the wtbs, but when its my turn to give my two cents she makes it seem as if i'm the only poztate.

Dr Jekyll

*Stands up and Claps Mary*

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Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian

by Elsewhere in

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top ten signs you're a fundamentalist christian

10 - you vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.. .

9 - you feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the biblical claim that we were created from dirt.. .

Dr Jekyll

11. You sleep in Boxing gloves in case you accidently touch yourself during the night.

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Local needs after d/f or reproof

by jambon1 in

this may be a question for ex-elders.

is it always the case that a talk will be given after a d/f or reproof relating to the persons 'sin'?

after these announcements in our hall we always seemed to have a talk/local needs, which practically told you what the person had done.

Dr Jekyll

never was an elder but this used to be the case when I was still in. I believe its been stopped in the states because DF'd ones were taking the org to court on Slander and defamation of character charges.

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How Did Things Change After You Were Baptised?

by whyizit in

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i've noticed that a lot of jws and former jws have said there was a big change after they became baptised.

how were you treated before, as compared to after?

is there really that noticeable of a difference?

Dr Jekyll

After you are baptized, are you then expected to immediately go out and start recruiting?

Before you are baptised you have to start going out doing the doors, So even before you're baptised to are expected to be trying to gain recruits.

I was told their are territories. My friend lives kind of far away, but what if she became baptized and needed a recruit to count her time on, and if I told her I would study, but only with her. Would she be able to do that, then count our time together? Even if I wasn't in her "territory"?

Yes she can do that, though why you'd want to study I have no Idea. If you are in territory that is covered by another congregation she would be expected to start taking someone from that congregation along with her after a while, the intention being that eventually she would pass your study over to that other brother or sister and that you would then start to attend the nearest kingdom hall to you.

Depending how new and knowledgeable in the truth the study conductor is he or she may be instructed to take along another witness to help in the study.

There's also the issue of Sex. if you and the witness are different sexes another would have to go along to make sure nothing was going on.

And how about when they go to someones house for a book study. Who gets to count that time? The person who brought the recruit? The entire group gets to count it? Or the person holding the study in their house?

The Book study conductor counts that time, hes normally an Elder

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Slap Uncle Bruce Here ~ Weak Poll #1

by unclebruce in

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g'day rude people,

some of you are just now learning what long-suffering older posters have known all along i can be very annoying!

my rising paranoia tells me enemies are setting up all around ... golf keeps whacking me with his #12 iron, the elders keep threatening to take me to the backroom, and even the mild mannered caveman comes out to kick me in the go-nuts

Dr Jekyll

Thats not a sister, Thats a brother in DRAG!

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Is the Governing Body lovers of righteousness or...

by Honesty in

are they murderers and slayers of men?.

examine their policies and decide for yourself:.

1. disfellowshipping - how many jw's have committed suicide over this policy?.

Dr Jekyll

1. Disfellowshipping - how many JW's have committed suicide over this policy?
Unfortunately, any time I broached this subject with individual JW's whose families had not been impacted by changing ;Governing Body policies the response always was, "They were being faithful to Jehovah and he'll ressurect them anyway."

Disfellowshipped people who are not repentant wont be resurrected though !

It gets me so angry when i hear of parents telling their DF'd kids "I wish you were dead because then at least you'd be resurrected in the Ns rather than dying at Armageddon."